The Dark Knight Rises

Durga · **Posted:** Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:46 am

Oh, I have no issue with comic book movies making up their own stories. The issue of the debate was whether it was true to the "spirit" of Batman, which is a common question with any adaptation. I'm glad Nolan took the character in a different direction by exploring the idea and symbolism of the Batman, and how one hero can become something greater.

Though if you want to talk about faithfulness to comic book STORYLINES, it actually takes parts from several Batman stories: Knightfall, No Man's Land, The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Year One, etc. It's like how The Dark Knight took elements from The Killing Joke and The Long Halloween. The end results are very different, with the exception of a few scenes directly from the comics

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Okay, comic book nerd moment over. XD

Though now that we've had our "gritter and more realistic" Batman, what's next? Obviously Christopher Nolan is done with Batman unless he goes against his word, and unlike Michael Bay I expect him to keep to his word. I'm hoping for a new Batman movie series that allows for the more fantastical and science fiction elements of the comics. Avengers has proven that heroes like this are still popular on the big screen, and it would allow for Batman to crossover with other DC heroes. Now if only DC could get their act together and make other DC movie heroes for him to crossover with. :/

Sohndann · **Posted:** Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:26 am

There's probably a chance of that happening. There's the new Superman coming out next year, and other than that, I have no idea. I can't really envision DC putting money into "The Atom: the movie".

EmperorMattXV · **Posted:** Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:02 pm

Just saw it last night, and I gotta say, I wasn't impressed. Maybe it's because I haven't seen the first two films (although I liked the half hour of The Dark Knight that I have seen. The second hour of the movie is an absolute slog to get through with them setting up everything for the final act. Hans Zimmer's score is good as usual, if a bit repetitive.

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Is it a bad film? No, not a chance, but I can't say I really liked it.

TCTriangle · **Posted:** Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:00 pm

Sohndann wrote:

zaburai wrote:

Why do people care that much whether they follow the common mythos of a comic, shouldn't they be different enough so that people can be surprised?

Because it roots the film in the universe of that character. For example, it would be very hard to do Spiderman without "With great power comes great responsibility".

Which is what Amazing Spiderman did.

Actually, the new Spiderman movie DID do it. A lot. It's just that they were a little more subtle about it instead of having Uncle Ben say it every other scene.

Sohndann · **Posted:** Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:42 pm

I would have liked him to say it at least once, though. *shrug*

Actually, just a thought that occurred a couple of seconds. Out of curiosity, I went back through some of the earliest rumours for the film, and discovered a rumour that Tom Hardy would be playing Deadshot. Now wouldn't that be interesting? For those unaware, Deadshot is more or less the dark mirror of Batman. Whereas Batman is rich and fights crime without using guns, Deadshot is just as rich, but is a criminal who does use guns. That would have been a pretty good moral debate.

DarkSide · **Posted:** Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:48 pm

TCTriangle wrote:

Actually, the new Spiderman movie DID do it. A lot. It's just that they were a little more subtle about it instead of having Uncle Ben say it every other scene.

When actually they didn't and only pretended to because that piece of doodoo movie can go eat a dick.

Yes, I'm still pissed the *dolphin noise* off by that movie.

RogerMcSexington · **Posted:** Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:15 pm

DarkSide wrote:

TCTriangle wrote:

Actually, the new Spiderman movie DID do it. A lot. It's just that they were a little more subtle about it instead of having Uncle Ben say it every other scene.

When actually they didn't and only pretended to because that piece of doodoo movie can go eat a dick.

Yes, I'm still pissed the *dolphin noise* off by that movie.

Have you actually seen it yet?

Volbla · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:45 am

I liked the movie, but i wasn't very impressed by it. Probably just an effect of huge expectations. I'll have to see it again. And again and again.

The more i think about it, the more i believe the biggest "problem" with this movie is that it's simply not as good as The Dark Knight. Bane is good, but he's not quite as fun or menacing as the Joker. There is good drama for some people, but it's not as tense or interesting as Harvey. The biggest action scenes in Dark Knight uses a lot of enviroment and gadgets, like the flying cape. Here not really.

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When Bane was first announced as the main villian i figured this was because they wanted a somewhat less profile villian so that Batman could be the main focus again for the last movie, because he should be. After seeing it i'd say that's about right. Bane isn't explored heavily, and Talia... i'll get back to her. This shouldn't be a problem in and of itself, but in the end i feel like Bruce's story, except for at the begining, is your average protagonist arc. There's nothing very interesting or potent about it. In Dark Knight he pretty much just didn't understand the mind of the Joker and his loved one died, but that was enough and it was good stuff. In addition to that there was Harvey, whom i love. Unconventional character development, but that's partly what makes it cool. Rises felt pretty ordinary.

I feel similarly about Catwoman. I've heard two people say they like this incarnation of her now, but to me she didn't come off as more than average, sexy girl who punches people. Maybe she will on a rewatch. What i especially thought needed more time was her relationship with Batman. They even end up together, right? Their teamwork to reach Bane was really good, but i never felt their relationship grow. The movie should have been longer :|

So Talia. What was the point of including her? It was presented like "WHOOAAA, WHAT A TWIST!", but it wasn't that important, really. If it was someone close to Batman who was actually evil all along it could've had an impact, but this was just some random chick at his company. It's like taking Coleman Reese in Dark Knight and making him the final boss. Ok, maybe not that bad, but still pretty pointless. Maybe they just didn't want Bane to be driving the truck in the final scene...

When the Nostalgia Critic made his video on Burton Batman vs Dark Knight he criticized that Alfred "always has a speech prepared". That bugs me a little in Dark Knight now, but in Rises i started noticing it a lot more. And not just Alfred. Whenever there is backstory or flashback the person talking steers into this narrator voice. Quite a few flashbacks, by the way. I like how the movie ties in with the previous ones, but still quite a few flashbacks.

MexicanAnime wrote:

Did the whole "Robin" thing in the end feel out of the blue for anyone?

Not for me. I actually thought at one point "Is this a setup for Robin?" He looks up to Batman, shares his ideals, wants to do his part for Gotham. Perhaps hard to distinguish him from any other good cop :3

Elric · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:27 pm

I had high expectations, but nonetheless I thought it was a good way to end the movie. I thought Bane was a ok villain, but of course the joker was far superior. As for the ending, without spoiling it I thought it was fitting. It could be left up to interpretation too, as Alfred could have been imagining the whole thing.

Sohndann · **Posted:** Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:18 am

Elric wrote:

It could be left up to interpretation too, as Alfred could have been imagining the whole thing.

The ending of Inception in the Dark Knight Rises? A Christopher Nolan film in a Christopher Nolan film?

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